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Is Alphys the True Villain of Undertale?

  • Throughout all the runs in Undertale, two main antagonists exist: Flowey and Chara, though Asriel may count as a possible third. At the start of the game, Asriel and Chara are both "dead," and Flowey was revealed to be Alphys' creation in the True Pacifist Run.

    However, they may be another contender for this roster: the seemingly humble, adorable Dr. Alphys.

    Alphys manipulates Frisk throughout the game, as seen throughout the CORE when she gives the player wrong advice, seemingly intentionally, and plays them for a sap, as revealed by Mettaton before his boss fight.

    Most shockingly of all, Alphys seems to not have any failsafe for Flowey despite knowingly, expertly, containing the Amalgamates and installing an "off" switch on Mettaton. Note that these characters are all kind-hearted and of noble intent; Flowey is not.

    Why would Alphys, an intelligent and experienced scientist, not place a failsafe on the most evil of her creations?

    Why does Alphys act surprised when Frisk and their friends all find out about Flowey but addresses the situation calmly when Frisk finds her with the Amalgamates in the True Laboratory?

    Regardless, even if Alphys has not intentionally unleashed this evil into the underground, Flowey's existence is her responsibility and she would deserve to be held accountable for his actions. Even the best-case scenario seems to show Alphys' true villainy.

    What do you all think? Leave your comments below.

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    • Alphys doesn't know about Flowey; she knows that she replanted a determined flower vessel in Asgore's garden, and she may know that it's sentient.

      I don't think she was prepared for it to be a SOULless, evil being.

      I agree, though. Alphys may be a bad person. Not for unknowingly creating Flowey, but for hiding the Amalgamates from their families for so long. That's just cruel.


      Honestly, Alphys used to be my least favorite character because she seemed to have very few redeeming qualities about herself. In regards to her relevance to the story, she is definitely a "villain."

      Alphys created the anomaly. This anomaly becomes the boss of Neutral and True Pacifist Routes...

      For me, Alphys's status depends on how evil Flowey is. Ultimately, he's reasonable. He leaves the protagonist alone for the majority of routes and doesn't mess around with other characters willy-nilly, even though he remembers everything.

      He also (I believe) unlocks the True Pacifist ending because he coerces Alphys into showing others the True Lab. Recall the trash can note... Flowey probably wrote it.

      So, in this case, Alphys is also a hero. Yes, her creation is a jerk. He also unlocks the True Pacifist Route.

      Nothing is simple in this game. ;-;

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    • I wouldn't ascribe the name "villain" to Alphys. One can definitely fault her decisions and actions, but at no point does she actually act antagonistically toward the protagonist (any barriers that she puts up are specifically made so that she can knock them down), nor does she do anything that is actually evil.

      As Fix already noted, her knowledge about Flowey is limited to at most a sort of vague knowledge. She had no idea going in what the result would be of creating a being without a soul, nor is she aware of Flowey's malevolence. While Alphys is the cause of Flowey's existence, the responsibility for it is not cut and dry, since she did not and could not have any idea that the experiment would actually work or what would come of it.

      Hiding the Amalgamates is essentially the same as her reactivating the puzzles. She was being selfish. In the former case, she was afraid of what people would think about her if she not only failed in her experiments, but returned the family members in such a deformed state. So she hid them away. Likewise, she wanted to feel like she was a hero and part of the protagonist's adventure, so she turned the puzzles back on so she could save the day. She reasons like a child. That doesn't make her bad, per se. Just not good, either.

      Alphys doesn't really qualify as a villain, unless "villian" is simply defined as "someone who blocks the progress of the protagonist in any way." She certainly isn't the True Villain. She's just complex, much like Asgore.

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    • Well, just because she didn't create Flowey and amalgamates on purpose, I wouldn't sort her as villain. I mean, she didn't have villainous intentions. She also feels depression and deep self haterd for her actions, and in some endings it's even implied that she commited suicide.

      I agree, it is wrong how she lied to and manipulated Frisk just so she cam feel better about herself instead of facing with and admitting her mistakes right away. In my honest opinion she is kinda cowardly and pathetic person, but I don't think she's evil.

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    • Mabian wrote:
      I wouldn't ascribe the name "villain" to Alphys. One can definitely fault her decisions and actions, but at no point does she actually act antagonistically toward the protagonist (any barriers that she puts up are specifically made so that she can knock them down), nor does she do anything that is actually evil.

      She sends Mettaton to kill Frisk. Mettaton himself says as much prior to his boss fight, and his intentions are benevolent, as shown by his quote "my only desire is to entertain."

      Mabian wrote:While Alphys is the cause of Flowey's existence, the responsibility for it is not cut and dry, since she did not and could not have any idea that the experiment would actually work or what would come of it.

      She still deserves to be held accountable for the actions of her creation. As a scientist, she should have had a failsafe planned for Flowey's rebellion, and the fact that she had a failsafe for all her creations except Flowey seems, like I said, almost intentional.

      GetYourFix wrote: I don't think she was prepared for it to be a SOULless, evil being.

      She did know that it would be soulless, though. Besides, it was irresponsible for her to plant it in Asgore's garden rather than keep it contained with the rest of the Amalgamates.

      GetYourFix wrote:Alphys created the anomaly. This anomaly becomes the boss of Neutral and True Pacifist Routes...

      The idea of Flowey being the anomaly is fairly vague. I always thought it was the player, as Sans says "I always thought the anomaly was doing this because they were unhappy." Flowey wasn't motivated by unhappiness, nor could he feel emotion of any kind. Regardless, yes, Alphys did grant existence to two out of the game's three final bosses.

      GetYourFix wrote: For me, Alphys's status depends on how evil Flowey is. Ultimately, he's reasonable. He leaves the protagonist alone for the majority of routes and doesn't mess around with other characters willy-nilly, even though he remembers everything.

      Flowey manipulates Papyrus in all routes but Genocide, as indicated by Sans at Grillby's.

      GetYourFix wrote: He also (I believe) unlocks the True Pacifist ending because he coerces Alphys into showing others the True Lab. Recall the trash can note... Flowey probably wrote it.

      I've seen no proof of this. He does tell the player how to get the True Pacifist Ending in the Pacifist Ending credits, but as indicated in your forum thread, this may be another one of Flowey's evil schemes.

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    • Oobooglunk wrote:
      She sends Mettaton to kill Frisk. Mettaton himself says as much prior to his boss fight, and his intentions are benevolent, as shown by his quote "my only desire is to entertain."

      Wait, what? He says no such thing. What he says is that Alphys made up the story about Mettaton malfunctioning so that he would "attack" Frisk and she could step in to save them. At every point of the Hotland story Mettaton's efforts to kill Frisk are not only "thwarted" by Alphys, but proven to be completely harmless anyway.

      When Mettaton actually attacks you, he specifically goes off-script, locks Alphys out of the room you are fighting in, and then engages in actual battle.

      At no point does Alphys actually try to put Frisk in danger. She just creates the illusion of danger.

      Meanwhile, Mettaton's actions are far from benevolent. His desire to entertain is a desire to be adored by others. When he changes the script his objective is to kill Frisk and take their soul so he can cross the Barrier and increase his fanbase.

      She still deserves to be held accountable for the actions of her creation. As a scientist, she should have had a failsafe planned for Flowey's rebellion, and the fact that she had a failsafe for all her creations except Flowey seems, like I said, almost intentional.

      A failsafe like what?

      And what other failsafes does she put into her other experiments? Switching Mettaton's form isn't a failsafe. Alphys is specifically focusing on not finishing the body for entirely different reasons. Nor is anything else she does to stop Mettaton a failsafe, because it is all a show that he puts on. She provides no failsafe for the Amalgamates. She just locks them in her lab.

      There isn't really any failsafe that can be made for Flowey. She worked for a long time to get the flower to come alive, and nothing happened. She had a theory, she tested it, and by all accounts the theory failed, and so she gave up. Only after she gave up did it turn out that her theory was right, and by that time there was nothing that could be done.

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    • The point about Mettaton- You're right! However, you can see after the Mettaton fight, that she is truely regretful. Even in one ending going so far as "disappearing", possibly from suicide.

      Also, it's very clear Alphys did not create Flowey in the lab. It says in one of her entries that it was in the center of Asgore's garden, the flower that came from the surface. She could have never predicted it would become sentient. Also, not to mention, Flowey did not become evil until many resets later, when he became bored.

      Also, I just want to point out Mettaton cannot even kill the player until his EX boss fight. If you fail every single question on the quiz, without eating, Mettaton will leave you at 1 HP.

      In the end, Alphys was just trying to do what Asgore assigned her to do: unleash the power of the SOUL. The best way for her to acomplesh this was... well, through a vessle that was neither human nor monster.

      Even we really examine it too a tee, we can see that Asgore is at fault here, because he told Alphys to unleash the power of the SOUL, sending Alphys on the path to creating a vessle neither monster nor human, and accedentally ending up with Flowey.

      TL;DR Asgore is at 90% fault here.

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    • I'm going to reflect on your main post some before I have a major foot-in-mouth again; sometimes, I'm too eager to jump into things! :D Anyway, let's do this!

      Anomaly Flowey

      In short, the anomaly must be Flowey because Sans conducted his research before the player/protagonist entered the Underground.

      • Sans also believes that the protagonist is the anomaly, not the player.
      • He has no knowledge that SAVE ability transfers based on determination.
      Thought Process / Minor Details

      Sans does not know that multiple characters can manipulate time; his Genocide Route dialogue needs to be read with his incomplete knowledge in mind.

      Flowey was definitely unhappy, which is why he did some SOUL searching (heh) and created so many timelines in which he tried to find some repsite from his lack of positive emotion. The protagonist may be unhappy, but their actions and destiny are dictated by the player.

      Sans does not recognize the player as the anomaly but instead recognizes the protagonist. His speech continues on to say that he thought that the anomaly was unhappy and was searching for something. He attempts to befriend the protagonist, not the player.

      Through this, Sans cannot be saying that the player is the anomaly. He also did his research before the player/protagonist entered the Underground, and he sought out Flowey in many timelines.

      Reasonable Flowey

      Flowey does very little; manipulating Papyrus is a small discretion considering that Flowey retains all memories unless a True Reset occurs.

      He could have really impeded the protagonist if he wanted to. Instead, he watches and chooses to speak to/manipulate Papyrus time and again.

      Thought Process / Minor Details

      He manipulates Papyrus and Papyrus alone. Flowey could have run around and messed with characters after the protagonist loaded a SAVE. He retains all of his memories unless a True Reset occurs, yet he does nothing to alter the progression of multiple Neutral Routes in a row.

      He could have done a lot more than he did because of his knowledge, and yet he laid back and watched everything play out. Even after the protagonist chooses to kill him in Neutral Routes and reloads, he presents himself with a cheeky grin.

      Flowey Doing What He Does, Writing Notes?

      All right. So, the note in the trash can reads:

      • (There's a message crumpled up in the trash can.)
      • (It's in a strange kind of handwriting.)
      • (It says...)
      • (I KNOW WHAT YOU DID.)

      It's almost certainly Flowey who wrote this accusatory note. (Please let me know if my logic is bad. :'D) Evidence includes:

      • Papyrus's stilted phone call directing the protagonist to the Lab and collaboration with Flowey.
      • The note blackmailing Alphys to progress the plot (impeccable timing, very small time frame for it to get placed)
      • Flowey is one of the few (if only) characters that knows about the Amalgamates and has the motive to guilt Alphys.
        • Undyne, Papyrus, Toriel, and Asgore could not have written it.
        • The handwriting probably isn't Sans's, so he couldn't have written it either.
      Thought Process (Guh)

      This note appears whenever Alphys's confessional note does, so it's likely that it prompted Alphys to divulge information about the True Lab. The note must have appeared while the protagonist was on a date with Alphys and Papyrus went for a jog with her.

      Papyrus is probably in on the ruse (to some degree). Look at his dialogue when he calls the protagonist after Alphys's date:

      • HOWDY!
      • IF IT ISN'T MY GOOD FRIEND, WHO TRUSTS ME.
      • THIS IS PAPYRUS. YOUR ALSO MUTUAL FRIEND.

      Sidenote, this seems like an alternate version of a Flowey dialogue... Maybe my mind is odd, but it reads similar to "Howdy! It's your best friend, FLOWEY. FLOWEY the FLOWER!" Papyrus's version sounds like someone told a garbage robot AI to write a greeting for someone friendly and trustworthy. Anyway...

      Papyrus is definitely following Flowey's commands at this point. Flowey probably tried to give Papyrus a sort of script to follow during the phone call, but it turned out really mechanical because Papyrus is nervous.

      The note is crumpled, meaning someone saw it and tossed it in the trash (Alphys, probably). Whoever wrote the note knew what Alphys did, which is potentially a small scope of characters.

      Flowey certainly knows, because he has messed around with the timelines so much. His Photoshop Flowey boss design even alluded to the DT Extraction machine (though this may be the human SOULs' influence).

      Sans probably knows. Does he have the motive to blackmail Alphys? They were research partners, and Sans may already know about the Amalgamates... I don't see him writing it.

      Papyrus and Undyne were too preoccupied to write it. Toriel is still in the Ruins, Asgore is Asgore.

      As for the handwriting, it's hard to say. We think that Papyrus only writes in his font, while Sans has written without his fontface before, but still in (mostly) lowercase.

      Alphys's notes look like chickenscratch (at least, the Snowdin Tile Puzzle guide reads that way), and these aren't illegible symbols. This could be Flowey's "hand"writing, which looks weird because he's using his mouth to grip a pencil.

      He also can enter the Lab... he does follow the protagonist in the main lab area (if backtracking, he can be seen in that long room.)

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    • "Why would Alphys, an intelligent and experienced scientist, not place a failsafe on the most evil of her creations?"

      Because she sucks at her job, seriously how can you of missed such an obvious factor. She's about as evil as everyone else in this game which depends on your view of evil. Killing 6 kids could be considered evil, resetting the world also could be seen that way and from creating the Amalgamates to Asriel's resurrection as Flowey it was made very clear none of these things were intended to turn out so poorly.

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    • All good points! Two weak links, however, still remain.

      1. Alphys knew she would be bringing the flower to life ("What happens when something without a SOUL gains the will to live?"), as assigned by Asgore. However, the Amalgamates, were contained in the True Laboratory. Mettaton had a giant OFF switch in his normal form, severely low battery power in his EX form, and comically low speed in his NEO form. Flowey, on the other hand, was planted in the garden of the king of the underground.

      Any way you slice it, bringing a soulless being to life in the home of a royal figure is a bad idea and, regardless of her intent, Alphys deserves to be held accountable.

      2. When the player discovers the Amalgamates, Alphys casually chases them off and casually remarks "sorry about that, they get kind of sassy when they don't get fed on time." When Mettaton first approaches, Alphys warns the player. However, before the fight with Asriel in the True Pacifist ending, when Papyrus says a "tiny flower" helped him, Alphys freezes in horror as a bead of sweat runs down her face and she chokes out "a...tiny...flower?." If Flowey is all that benevolent and reasonable, what could Alphys be so afraid of? Again, she may not have intended to release something this evil into the world, but something sketchy was clearly going on with her thought process and she should have taken responsibility.

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    • She probably just feels guilt over that. I don't think she expected Flowey to control timelines.

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    • Oobooglunk wrote:
      All good points! Two weak links, however, still remain.

      1. Alphys knew she would be bringing the flower to life ("What happens when something without a SOUL gains the will to live?"), as assigned by Asgore. However, the Amalgamates, were contained in the True Laboratory. Mettaton had a giant OFF switch in his normal form, severely low battery power in his EX form, and comically low speed in his NEO form. Flowey, on the other hand, was planted in the garden of the king of the underground.

      Any way you slice it, bringing a soulless being to life in the home of a royal figure is a bad idea and, regardless of her intent, Alphys deserves to be held accountable.

      But again, the entire reason that Flowey was planted in the garden was that he appeared to be nothing more than a normal flower. All of Alphys's experiments with the flower had failed to transform it, and so by all accounts the experiments had been a complete failure. Since the flower itself holds some significance (being the first Golden Flower that grew after Asriel's death), returning the flower to the king is the logical sequence of events. Especially since there is no reason to hold onto it. At that point it is just a normal flower. Only after everything goes wrong does Alphys realize that it is no longer a normal flower, but by the time she finds out the flower is gone.

      2. When the player discovers the Amalgamates, Alphys casually chases them off and casually remarks "sorry about that, they get kind of sassy when they don't get fed on time." When Mettaton first approaches, Alphys warns the player. However, before the fight with Asriel in the True Pacifist ending, when Papyrus says a "tiny flower" helped him, Alphys freezes in horror as a bead of sweat runs down her face and she chokes out "a...tiny...flower?." If Flowey is all that benevolent and reasonable, what could Alphys be so afraid of? Again, she may not have intended to release something this evil into the world, but something sketchy was clearly going on with her thought process and she should have taken responsibility.


      Alphys clearly knows that the flower gained sentience, since she has the lab entry about the flower being gone. What she does not know, up to that point, is what the flower is doing.

      So she's having a big meeting with all of these friends, and it turns out that pretty much everyone was brought together through the manipulations of "a tiny flower." If it had just been revealed to you that you had been manipulated into being in the exact place you are, would your mind go to a benevolent or malevolent presence? Since we are generally disposed to find manipulation bad in any form, it would only be natural for Alphys to be concerned that the missing flower had set things in motion. Her thought process is pretty much normal, and it's not like she has any time to warn the other characters that something bad is about to happen.

      But let's say that she should have warned Asgore or someone else about the flower once she found out it was gone, just in case. Even if we presume some failing on her part for it, it still doesn't get us to the conclusion that Alphys is evil or a villain. The most likely explanation is that she just hopes that nothing more comes of the flower and no one finds out about it. As with everything else, she would be rather selfish in her thought process and exercising poor judgment, but neither of those constitute evil or villainy.

      As a final note, Alphys is definitely worried about the flower being gone. Her lab entries are written in two very distinct manners: she writes professionally with proper capitalization when things are going well, and in all lower-case when things aren't (minus Entry 16). Entry 18 just says "the flower's gone.", indicating that she is worried about the event. Obviously she does not warn people about it (see the above paragraph), but she is not hiding the results for any malevolent purpose.

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    • Oobooglunk wrote:
      All good points! Two weak links, however, still remain.

      1. Alphys knew she would be bringing the flower to life ("What happens when something without a SOUL gains the will to live?"), as assigned by Asgore. However, the Amalgamates, were contained in the True Laboratory. Mettaton had a giant OFF switch in his normal form, severely low battery power in his EX form, and comically low speed in his NEO form. Flowey, on the other hand, was planted in the garden of the king of the underground.

      Any way you slice it, bringing a soulless being to life in the home of a royal figure is a bad idea and, regardless of her intent, Alphys deserves to be held accountable.

      2. When the player discovers the Amalgamates, Alphys casually chases them off and casually remarks "sorry about that, they get kind of sassy when they don't get fed on time." When Mettaton first approaches, Alphys warns the player. However, before the fight with Asriel in the True Pacifist ending, when Papyrus says a "tiny flower" helped him, Alphys freezes in horror as a bead of sweat runs down her face and she chokes out "a...tiny...flower?." If Flowey is all that benevolent and reasonable, what could Alphys be so afraid of? Again, she may not have intended to release something this evil into the world, but something sketchy was clearly going on with her thought process and she should have taken responsibility.

      Quite incredible points you made there!

      1: She didn't nessisary know the flower would end up evil. Even if she did know it was evil, it was too late to provide a failsafe. Plus, how was Alphys supposed to know it could go into the ground and pop out somewhere else? Plants can't talk dummy don't normally do that.

      2: The statement doesn't nessisarily have a definiten conclusion. The extremely stuttering in the phrase could also mean she recognises it, and realizes that Flower is the one she didn't contain.

      Not to mention, Flowey doesn't even do anything "evil" (besides the begining) until the end of the neutral route. It also says he give encouragement and kind words to Papyrus. While it might be for selfish needs, it's still a kind thing to do.

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    • Oobooglunk wrote: All good points! Two weak links, however, still remain.

      1. Alphys knew she would be bringing the flower to life ("What happens when something without a SOUL gains the will to live?"), as assigned by Asgore. However, the Amalgamates, were contained in the True Laboratory. Mettaton had a giant OFF switch in his normal form, severely low battery power in his EX form, and comically low speed in his NEO form. Flowey, on the other hand, was planted in the garden of the king of the underground.

      Any way you slice it, bringing a soulless being to life in the home of a royal figure is a bad idea and, regardless of her intent, Alphys deserves to be held accountable.

      2. When the player discovers the Amalgamates, Alphys casually chases them off and casually remarks "sorry about that, they get kind of sassy when they don't get fed on time." When Mettaton first approaches, Alphys warns the player. However, before the fight with Asriel in the True Pacifist ending, when Papyrus says a "tiny flower" helped him, Alphys freezes in horror as a bead of sweat runs down her face and she chokes out "a...tiny...flower?." If Flowey is all that benevolent and reasonable, what could Alphys be so afraid of? Again, she may not have intended to release something this evil into the world, but something sketchy was clearly going on with her thought process and she should have taken responsibility.

      You know this all well and good but it's the darth Jar Jar theory all over again; the potential was there but never became a thing. If Toby was going to make a well greased machine out of Alphys being a villain he would of done it.

      With nothing but the highest respect and absolute gratitude to Toby Fox, he is not one for stories of complexity and opts a more stylistic and simple narrative that has many meta and referential layers wrapped around a mythos enticing enough to generate a massive amount of fan made AUs. Alphys created Flowey to either test Determination and its effects or if she knew about Asriel's dust/essence all over the flower she wanted to prove herself to Asgore after all she has big shoes to fill *cough* Gaster *cough*.

      The Amalgamates were a well established accident as Alphys's only intention was to cure the Monsters of the falling ill/into a coma/dying that had befallen them which I hypothesise is one of the two horrifying effects of the barrier not counting its effect of keeping Monsters from passing through.

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    • Well, regarding the comments above, I'd certainly agree that Alphys was not intended to be any sort of Mule/Jar Jar Binks-esque puppeteer (for those who don't know who the Mule is, read Isaac Asimov's Foundation series), as she only manipulated Frisk with good intent, but the fact that she was not held accountable for her actions is unfitting for her role as a scientist and, frankly, means that the "best ending" of the game was not the best potential ending that could have occurred within the confines of the narrative. The truly "best" potential ending would have Alphys tried for her actions in a court of law or, at the absolute least, place her under more scrutiny than "oh, Alphys, you messed up but we forgive you!"

      Regarding Alphys' lack of intent to unleash Flowey upon the world, I'm sure the operators at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant didn't mean to cause a nuclear meltdown, but their lack of intent to do so doesn't absolve them from blame and certainly places responsibility for the deaths caused by the meltdown squarely on their shoulders.

      Regarding a failsafe, it would be perfectly reasonable to plant Flowey in a pot and leave him in the True Lab. Alphys may not have known that Flowey would become evil, but she did intend to bring him to life, and one doesn't simply leave a living creature unattended, especially not near the royal palace of the king for which you work. If Flowey had been planted in a pot, he wouldn't be able to do much besides this.

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    • Apparently only "punishment" Alphys got is being fired by Toriel at the end of True Pacifist. Families of amalgamates diddn't seem angry at her either, but they were probably too happy because barrier was finally broken.

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    • Oh give Alphys a break already, the girl was originally going to end her life if Undyne hadn't stepped into her life and as far as I'm concerned every monster is at least indirectly responsible for the murder of 6 kids so nobody has any high ground when it comes to judging Alphys.

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    • But that still doesn't cushion the fact she made lots of mistakes.

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    • So had nearly every major character in Undertale, by your own logic everyone should be tried not just Alphys.

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    • I never denied that other characters don't have flaws/have done something bad. I also said that I don't think Alphys is evil, but I still think her decisions are wrong.

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    • Everything the monsters did I feel was an act of desperation rather than malevolence but I agree, Alphys's decisions were poor but she made up for them in the end by rehabilitating the Amalagamates back into the open world and if you subscribe to the idea that Frisk would take Flowey with him may also try to restore Asriel's body.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote:
      ...and as far as I'm concerned every monster is at least indirectly responsible for the murder of 6 kids...

      For some reason I laughed so hard at that XD

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    • Yossipossi wrote:

      Starscream1998 wrote:
      ...and as far as I'm concerned every monster is at least indirectly responsible for the murder of 6 kids...

      For some reason I laughed so hard at that XD

      Glad I could make you laugh.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote:

      Yossipossi wrote:

      Starscream1998 wrote:
      ...and as far as I'm concerned every monster is at least indirectly responsible for the murder of 6 kids...
      For some reason I laughed so hard at that XD
      Glad I could make you laugh.

      =P

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    • But all in all good and evil is really not something applicable to Undertale, it's too grey in morality for that.

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    • Oobooglunk wrote:
      Well, regarding the comments above, I'd certainly agree that Alphys was not intended to be any sort of Mule/Jar Jar Binks-esque puppeteer (for those who don't know who the Mule is, read Isaac Asimov's Foundation series), as she only manipulated Frisk with good intent, but the fact that she was not held accountable for her actions is unfitting for her role as a scientist and, frankly, means that the "best ending" of the game was not the best potential ending that could have occurred within the confines of the narrative. The truly "best" potential ending would have Alphys tried for her actions in a court of law or, at the absolute least, place her under more scrutiny than "oh, Alphys, you messed up but we forgive you!"

      Regarding Alphys' lack of intent to unleash Flowey upon the world, I'm sure the operators at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant didn't mean to cause a nuclear meltdown, but their lack of intent to do so doesn't absolve them from blame and certainly places responsibility for the deaths caused by the meltdown squarely on their shoulders.

      Regarding a failsafe, it would be perfectly reasonable to plant Flowey in a pot and leave him in the True Lab. Alphys may not have known that Flowey would become evil, but she did intend to bring him to life, and one doesn't simply leave a living creature unattended, especially not near the royal palace of the king for which you work. If Flowey had been planted in a pot, he wouldn't be able to do much besides this.

      there is no way he could have known that the flower would end up being a murderous flower psychopath 

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    • anyways he was only doing what alphys asked of her for the determination experiments

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    • Rule number fucking one: Every Villain is Lemons (EVIL)

      Alphys = Lemons

      Alphys is villain.

      End.

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